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  JWs trying hard to hide in obscurity right now

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  on other discussion boards where active jws participate i notice them deflecting questions about the royal commission in australia by bringing up child abuse statistics of other churches, ostensibly to demonstrate that there is nothing news worthy to see here... "move along!".

  they are trying to make this story disappear into obscurity, irrelevance, as if it's just part and parcel of big institutional life, particularly of the religious nature.

  oh, now they compare themselves to every other religion on the block?.

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  That Texas billboard about child abuse - it couldn't have been put up at a more opportune time
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  Royal Commission....don't worry it will not go away...

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i need to let you know that here in australia the royal commission is alive and well.

  people are aware of it and whilst it may not be on the front page of your newspaper, it will end up there at some stage.

  although the elders are trying to squirm out of any culpability they are inevitably high jacked by their own arrogant assertions when they start to feel a degree of safety and ease in the questioning.

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  In the video feeds of the commission, I believe the pretty femme blond in the background is working with the JW elders' lawyer. The expressions on her face at various stages tell volumes! LOL.
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  Baiting Dubs for fun and amusement

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  jw: "wha-a-a-t?

  mormon: "okay.

  other jw: "that's just .

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  "I'm trying to figure out how this conversation got started. Mormons do NOT drink coffee or "strong drink" so, I'm wondering if they were just sitting in the shade outside resting from the hundred-degree heat when the JW's started rumblin'
  What struck me was how prepared the Mormon missionaries were for the witnesses and how unprepared the JW's were for the Mormons."

  I have a theory, Terry. Those Mormons, like you, realized that that local Starbucks is a nexus for JWs and so they did advanced preparation with the view to Witnessing to the JWs. That is what I firmly believe.

  Those Mormons probably heard the news of the JW pedophile investigation in Australia and figured there would be more vulnerable JWs at this time so they decided to launch a proselytizing attempt on JWs at the local Starbucks. lol. Like you were saying, why else would Mormons be hanging around a coffee shop?
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  Biblical Proof that JW Elders can not have Jehovah's or Jesus Spirit

  by GodZoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  something just occured to me.. like a lightening bolt in fact.

  matthew 10:19 just popped into my head... new american standard bible 18 and you will even be brought before governors and kings for my sake, as a testimony to them and to the gentiles.

  19 "but when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say.

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  I think Matthew 10:19 also explains why the elders did no advanced preparation by acquainting themselves with the work of the commission. LOL.
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  If Disfellowshipping pedophiles protects the congregation, what does it do for "Those Outside" they are expelled to?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  we all know the wt basis for disfellowshipping, (1 corinthians 5:9-13) 9 12 for what do i have to do with judging those outside?

  do you not judge those inside, 13 while god judges those outside?

  remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.. if removing "the man" is a protection for the congregation and no police are called, what does it say about the witnesses view of the world?

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  Do you think we will ever see a JW broadcast where a member of the GB comes clean and says: "Brothers, we have sinned . . ." ?
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  Governing body deceiving members on purpose?

  by wwjdnwt in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was born into this religion.

  i was a jw for well over 30 years.

  i did much research before i had internet, i compared bibles and prayed deeply to help me to know if this was the truth.

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  "@ calebinFloroda:...your comparisons to imperial Japan, isis and nazism would ring truer if it were not for the governing body/fds conjuring ' new light ' which nullifies their previous ideologically held belief systems. Your comparitive examples strictly held or hold to their ideologies to the death."

  I disagree. "New Light" not withstanding, the JWs do have a core unchanging ideology which may be summarized as this:

  The JW organization is God's organization which one must always be loyal and obedient to. To disagree with or criticize the organization is to disagree with or criticize Jehovah. To leave the organization is to leave Jehovah. Only members of the organization are true christians approved by God. Association with the organization is essential to having God's approval and any valid hope of escaping destruction at Armageddon.

  There might be a few other core, unchanging aspects of the JW theology that I missed, but what I've written above is the essence of it. The "new light" changes are minor secondary teachings that aren't really part of the core ideology of JWism.
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  Wednesday Hearings LIVE LINK NOW

  by Mad Sweeney in

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  2. scandals

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

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  This "Deny All" guy is intellectually reprehensible!
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  Governing body deceiving members on purpose?

  by wwjdnwt in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was born into this religion.

  i was a jw for well over 30 years.

  i did much research before i had internet, i compared bibles and prayed deeply to help me to know if this was the truth.

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  I believe they know they are deceiving the members but delusionally think that they're deceiving the members for their own benefit. It's a case of having the mindset that the end justifies the means.

  Did you see the JW broadcast where Samuel Herd was addressing the issue of JWs being brainwashed? He did not deny it. Instead his argument consisted of saying that what others call brainwashing is seen by them as wholesome teaching and mental readjusting to clean the mind of the corruptions of this world. That's not a quote, mind you, just my paraphrasing of what he was saying. So he essentially justified brainwashing by putting a positive spin on it!

  I think they similarly justify and rationalize their deceptive responses about issues like the UN fiasco and child sex abuse. They probably tell themselves that it is in the best interest of the brotherhood that they not know the whole truth about such matters so as not to discourage and stumble them. They probably rationalize that the negative publicity that would come to the organization if all allegations of child abuse are promptly reported to the police, is of greater importance than the welfare of the individual child abuse victims, so they feel justified in sacrificing child abuse victims and covering up the issue in the name of protecting the image of the organization so that outsiders wouldn't see the organization in a bad light and be stumbled away from accepting the truth.

  I would say it boils down to doing evil in the name of God. But its actually doing evil because of organizational pride. Organizational pride is at the root of the child abuse mess they're now mired in.
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  Almost said too much"....... maybe

  by Bigdummy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wife was getting ready for the sunday meeting yesterday and wanted the grandkids.

  they didn't want to so she called our daughter to come and pick them .

  now wife is about to cry because she is going by herself.

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  "I would like to say that I apologize for that last sentence in my above post. Some-
  time my thoughts and my typing don't coincide with each other and the result is
  a little messed up. "

  It happens too me all the time. lol. Sometimes I right down something and notice later that I misspelled a word - or more accurately, I wrote down a synophone (is that a word?) of the word I meant to write. Putting "right" instead of "write", for example.
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  Does the royal commission have the power to force the Jws to change how abuse is handled?

  by hoser in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i'm wondering if this is just a hearing or if this commission has teeth?.

  some very damning things coming out nonetheless .

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  I think they have that power indirectly. By that I mean that the findings of the commission can influence sweeping reform to Australia's laws regarding the responsibilities of institutions to report child abuse. Such national laws in turn, will force Watchtower to update its policies so as to comply or face the religion being stripped of its charity or religious status and black listed as a harmful group.